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glennmarina



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Fuel range - 16 cruiser vs. 19 angler Reply with quote

I am still looking for a c-dory. Can any one help me with what range I can expect to get. We have a fee good fishing spot 30 nm out. To and from + plus trolling around I need maybe 110 nm.. thanks glenn, I currently have a little house boat by Bollinger and it ain't going out the harbor....
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn, that's question that has no answer without knowing which motor you have on it, how fast you go and how much gas you carry. Both boats can carry portable tanks, I don't think the 16 has built in tanks, uses 3/6 gal portable ones, not sure how big the 19s tanks are but they can also use extra portable tanks. Either boat will go as far as you want to go, given enough gas on board.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 19 angler has fixed fuel tanks and, as currently manufactured, has a 46 gal fuel capacity. The 16 has portable tanks and comes std. with "up to 12 gals capacity". In heavy seas, with most any motor you will put on a 19, you should conservatively figure 3NMPG (you'll probably get better and trolling will use very little fuel unless you're trolling at >6kts). With the 16, you might get 6NMPG but to be conservative plan on 5. So with the stated fuel capacity, the range of the is a conservative 138NM while the 16 is a conservative 60NMPG. In principle, you could put more fuel in the 16 (and for that matter the 19 too), but there's not a ton of space in the cockpit of a 16 especially when you think of the cooler you need to store ice and the fish. Also, the 19 will be a much more stable boat for those off shore trips. To me, if you really want to fish that far offshore, and your choice is between a 16 and a 19, the answer is clearly the 19. BTW - if you are looking for used, earlier versions of the 19 had a fuel capacity of 40 gals (two 20 gal tanks) and used 19's are hard to come by (many more 22's were made).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently did a 120 mile round trip on my 16 footer. I used a total of 22 gallons, for an average of 5.5 miles/gallon. While I normally carry two 6 gallon tanks, on the trip I took a third trank, stored here

So, even with three tanks I had to fill up along the way.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 16 with a 12 gallon and six gallon and while I liked the boat I really felt like it was two much weight right on the stern for the 16. For your intended use I'd go with the 19'.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 16 angler powered by a newer Honda 40. On a recent outing of about 100 plus miles, running at an average of 13 to 18 mph, I got in the mid to high 6's for mpg.
I also have a 19, powered with a Suzuki 90. I can generally count on 4 to 4.5 mpg. I have just added a Permatrim to the 19, and I know it has increased the mpg, but I have not yet had a chance to compute the change.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whew, you guys make me jealous! ~ 2.5 nmpg on the CD25 with BF150! I know that wasn't the question!

On our 16 Angler, we carry 24 gallons in two 12 gallon tanks (easy there Marty, not going to get into the "perfect balance" dealiebob with you again!). The old Johnson 40 two stroke seems to reliably turn in about 5 nmpg average almost regardless of the conditions (I know that can't be true, for example running all the time against current and wind it would have to be less, but when I fill the tank and compute against miles traveled per the GPS, it seems to always come out about 5). So if you follow the rule of thirds, with 24 gallons, you want to use no more than 8 going out, 8 coming back and 8 in reserve. So I figure an 80 mile round trip, or 80 miles between fuel stops, is doable with an appropriate margin of safety.

Now the other thing that nobody seems to have mentioned is - I probably would not run 30 nm off-shore in my 16 Anger.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Anderson wrote:
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Now the other thing that nobody seems to have mentioned is - I probably would not run 30 nm off-shore in my 16 Anger.


I kind of hinted at that in my comment that the 19 would be much more stable than the 16 for offshore trips. Also, I usually figure fuel mileage VERY conservatively for off shore trips since if the weather turns bad and you have to spend a lot of time in heavy water going up and down swells, your fuel mileage will be worse. All that said, I wouldn't take a 16' C-Dory 30 miles off shore in anything but the most ideal conditions and in a particularly good weather window. I'd feel more comfortable in the 19 and in my 22 I've been out that far many times. Still, for serious fishing, the 16 is a bit small and is lacking space for ice, bait and fish storage especially if he gets into tuna (which he might given his location).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a rather heavy 16 with 3 - 7 gallon tanks. I can get in fair weather and waters 110 + miles of cruising with a Honda 50. Average 35 miles per tank easily.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on published numbers, the 16 gets around 8 mpg with a single 40 at cruise speeds 16 to 24 mph. So two 6 gallon tanks gives a range of under 100 miles, with buffer.

There are no numbers published on the 19, but a 22 with a 75 5 mpg or better at speeds ranging from 8.5 to 25 mph. So it's maximum range at that burn rate will be 230 miles.

So for 120 mile trips, I would want the size and fuel capacity of the 19.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Cruiser 16 Reply with quote

I have a 1992 cruiser 16 with a 07 honda 50 on the back. I put a 27 gallon tank in which fits perfectly underneath against the transom. I put 3 more 6 gallon tanks up front and have carried another 5 gallon can with me. I have run her 100 miles west of Monterey a couple of times but most trips are 40 to 50 miles west chasing albacore. Loaded down with 50 gallons of fuel, ice, tackle and me, I weigh 200 lbs I get 5-7 mpg depending on the weather. I have put over 200 miles on her in a day many times. I figure I have close to 300 miles of range.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi BF-Do you have the make and model of your 27 gallon tank? Could you post a picture?.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Thanks, Reply with quote

After reading all your replys, I am going to have to up my budget for at least 2 boats. I think a 16 for local and pulling behind the camper on trips, and a 22 for the tuna / yellowtail / dorado season (maybe I will get a partnership going on this boat. It might make it more affordable). Any one have any luck with a partnership?

Some times we have to go way out and I would like to be sure we are going to come back. glenn
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beagle - by my math, if you follow the rule of thirds, you should consider your range 70 miles...one tank out, one tank back, and one tank in reserve.

seabeagle wrote:
I have a rather heavy 16 with 3 - 7 gallon tanks. I can get in fair weather and waters 110 + miles of cruising with a Honda 50. Average 35 miles per tank easily.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dotnmarty wrote:
Hi BF-Do you have the make and model of your 27 gallon tank? Could you post a picture?.
Welcome to the C-Brats
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Go to tempoproducts.com, part# 650050, model# c2814
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