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timflan
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It's goin', it's goin'. Oil is changed...just gotta run the engine and top off.
Gear oil is draining...seems like it just keeps on coming out. It's sort of a candy-apple green color, clear, without any milkiness. The new fluid is a deeper shade of green. I'm hoping that's OK.
While it drains, I decided to load up my mini grease-gun. How DO you get the cardboard cylinder of grease into the grease gun's cylinder? Tom, I'm picking up the phone now.
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marvin4239
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| timflan wrote: | | How DO you get the cardboard cylinder of grease into the grease gun's cylinder? Tom, I'm picking up the phone now. |
Tim the top of the small grease gun screws off and the grease cartrage has a metal ring on one end. You put the other end in the grease gun. I think there is a foil cover over the grease in one in you have to puncture and the other end has a cap that has to be removed.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Tim, if you are using a grease gun that has been previously used, be sure to remove the old cartridge before you attempt to insert the new one.
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timflan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Oil done, engine run, oil level fine, no leaks at oil filter.
Gear oil changed...took forever to drain, but now it's all pumped up. The rinky-dink "dispenser"-style pump works fine, but it takes a little while to pump through the entire liter of oil. Needed a bit more than than, just as the manual said I would.
Successfully greased one zerk fitting. The gun would NOT disengage from it. I pulled at it, yanked at it, moved it around a little and yanked some more. I tried prying gently, but just was not comfortable that that much force should be necessary. So I moved the grease gun from side to side, a little bit at a time, to see if I could get it off by pulling at an angle. Just a little at a time, you know, very gently. After a few tries, it felt like it was coming loose.
It came loose, alright! I've broken off the tip of the zerk fitting, which I still cannot remove from the grease gun, by the way. So I wonder how you remove the REST of the zerk fitting from the engine component, with nothing to grab onto. There's just a tiny little spring sticking out of it. Any wisdom? Hopefully I don't have to spend every penny I save changing my own oil fixing this. |
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DaveS
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| timflan wrote: | | So I wonder how you remove the REST of the zerk fitting from the engine component, with nothing to grab onto. There's just a tiny little spring sticking out of it. Any wisdom? |
Tim, there should be what appears to be a "nut shaped" area on the zerk portion that remains in place. Just put the proper sized wrench on it and remove the remainder of the zerk. (Remember......"righty tighty, lefty loosey" when turning it). After removal take that and the the zerk portion that broke off to a hardware store so they can sell you the proper replacement. You should also ask the salesman to show you zerks that have an angle on them as there may be some zerks that you will want to replace so that it is easier to attach your grease gun to it. (Personally, I don't care for those little grease guns but prefer the larger ones with a flex hose on the end.....makes it easier to access tight locations).
I know that years ago, Sea Wolf posted pictures of the angled zerks for the benefit of someone else. Perhaps those pix are in his album or maybe he can repost the pix.
Keep up the good work, I'm sure that there are more than a few people here that share your pain! |
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timflan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| DaveS wrote: | | Tim, there should be what appears to be a "nut shaped" area on the zerk portion that remains in place. |
Yeah, there SHOULD be, bt it came off with the portion that broke off! |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| timflan wrote: | | Yeah, there SHOULD be, bt it came off with the portion that broke off! |
So...it broke off flush, leaving just the threaded portion inside the hole?
If so, head down to a tractor or auto supply house, and pick up a stud extractor - commonly called an easy out or ez-out. They should be able to get you the right size, if a set is too expensive.
Here's a link for reference, however I'd not trust this is the right size for your application.
As you can see from the link above, they are basically a tapered drill bit with a left-hand twist. Carefully insert it into the broken zerk fitting, and slowly/gently twist it back out.
Usually, these work fine. However, the caution on being slow/gentle needs to be heeded - busting off the extractor, will leave you in a worse position than you are now.
Good luck...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats one reason I don't like the small grease guns. You can actually get angled fittings that fit on the end of the flexible hoses of the larger grease guns. I'd take one of the other zerk fittings out and take it to the auto parts store with me to get the correct size replacement for the broken one. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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OK. Some photos to help illustrate the points:
Monel Zerk Fittings for Marine use.
Easy-Out Tool
Special easy out tool designed for removing broken grease fittings and re-threading their bores. Also has built in socket wrench to remove and re-install Zerk fittings. Equivalent should be available at your local quality auto parts store. Description HERE.
Joe.  
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That is awesome, Joe. You left nothing to the imagination.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Joe for posting those pix for Tim. I knew that you would come through!  |
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Sea Wolf
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the comments!
It's fun to try to find photos that illustrate the points and link them together so that there can be less misunderstanding and ambiguity.
As a former teacher, I know how much easier it it for most people to "see" something in a photo or drawing than to get the picture through words, no matter how skilled the person is doing the describing.
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timflan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Joe. Very clear. I've wrapped up the proceedings for the day.
I did go to the auto parts store, I dropped off my used motor oil, and I got an extractor bit just like in the picture, but very small. I got a new (metric) zerks fitting, too.
Went over to Fisheries Supply, but they closed early. "Winter hours". Beware winter hours!  |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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tim pick up the phone, I am at home. I can come down in the morning. Not to help but to video you is action.
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timflan
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Here are some photos from today. It's late, so no captions, sorry.
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